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<blockquote data-quote="Zaphod77" data-source="post: 9166354" data-attributes="member: 370807"><p>And that proof is darn near impossible to get without very invasive spyware and human rights violations.</p><p></p><p>As long as you stick to direct downloads, they have their work cut out for them to prove their case. First they must prove that the copyrighted work was on the server you downloaded it from. Otherwise they have no way to even GET probable cause to search your computer, unless you do something silly like confessing. To do that they have to download it themselves from the server. which is fair, they own the copyright, they have permission, it's not a violation for them to do that. Then they have to get the access logs to the remote server, which will have a list of all IPs that have download the file, provided said haven't been scrubbed, and even exist in the first place. And if they do get logs, there are probably dynamic IPs in them. If so, they also have to get info from the isp to prove that it was assigned to that customer at the time. Which again is not a guarantee.</p><p></p><p>So assuming they somehow get accurate logs, and track it being downloaded to your home's IP at the time, they still haven't proven that you personally did it. It could have been someone else in your house sharing the same internet IP. It could have been someone who hacked into your wi-fi. That happens all the time. It coud be a house guest on a laptop who is long gone, and they can't trace it because the computer isn't even there.</p><p></p><p>Even the presence of the files on your computer is not proof you downloaded it. maybe you just downloaded a no-cd so you wouldn't have to put in the CD. Maybe it's a gog.com game you bought. there's no way to tell the difference by looking at your computer. Your computers copy could be legit. the pirated copy might be on a different computer, which as i said above, might not even be there.</p><p></p><p>Some malware may have downloaded it. That's not your fault, is it?</p><p></p><p>It's just not that simple to prove. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite48" alt=":)" title="smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>If you do torrent without a VPN, then all they have to do is join the swarm, and they find out all the IPs of everyone involved at the time. which makes it MUCH easier for them to match things up and get that proof and claim major statuatory damages.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zaphod77, post: 9166354, member: 370807"] And that proof is darn near impossible to get without very invasive spyware and human rights violations. As long as you stick to direct downloads, they have their work cut out for them to prove their case. First they must prove that the copyrighted work was on the server you downloaded it from. Otherwise they have no way to even GET probable cause to search your computer, unless you do something silly like confessing. To do that they have to download it themselves from the server. which is fair, they own the copyright, they have permission, it's not a violation for them to do that. Then they have to get the access logs to the remote server, which will have a list of all IPs that have download the file, provided said haven't been scrubbed, and even exist in the first place. And if they do get logs, there are probably dynamic IPs in them. If so, they also have to get info from the isp to prove that it was assigned to that customer at the time. Which again is not a guarantee. So assuming they somehow get accurate logs, and track it being downloaded to your home's IP at the time, they still haven't proven that you personally did it. It could have been someone else in your house sharing the same internet IP. It could have been someone who hacked into your wi-fi. That happens all the time. It coud be a house guest on a laptop who is long gone, and they can't trace it because the computer isn't even there. Even the presence of the files on your computer is not proof you downloaded it. maybe you just downloaded a no-cd so you wouldn't have to put in the CD. Maybe it's a gog.com game you bought. there's no way to tell the difference by looking at your computer. Your computers copy could be legit. the pirated copy might be on a different computer, which as i said above, might not even be there. Some malware may have downloaded it. That's not your fault, is it? It's just not that simple to prove. :) If you do torrent without a VPN, then all they have to do is join the swarm, and they find out all the IPs of everyone involved at the time. which makes it MUCH easier for them to match things up and get that proof and claim major statuatory damages. [/QUOTE]
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