Emulator takedowns continue. Not long after its first release, Suyu emulator has been removed from GitLab via a DMCA takedown. Suyu was a Nintendo Switch emulator forked from Yuzu emulator, which was the high-profile subject of a takedown by Nintendo last month. GitLab deleted Suyu's repository, stating that they'd received a takedown notice for the project. The tongue-in-cheek named emulator still has an official website up, though the Discord is not allowing new members, and the GitLab download page is gone. However, it seems a self-hosted download page is still available.

Source
Takedown notice (courtesy of gamingonlinux)

 

[LokeYourLord]

DMCA takedown by who? nintendo or pretenders like last time?

How about...
"Pretendos"

But for real, it was very very likely trolls once again.

 

[PopcornSweetie]

Oh oh oh. I am sad to see them being pulled. Their main goal is not piracy and at this point. (Even if this is not Nintendo) Nintendo is just trying to take down everything that is bugging them, whenever it's part of the fucking law or not. They are looking at stuff like Professor Layton, having Phoenix Wright like grate attorneys.

 

[anotherthing]

I think Nintendo's real target is Citra, not Yuzu. Their legal argument has to do with TotK, but why take so long for them to sue? If they want, they could have destroyed Yuzu and Ryujinx a long time ago.

I don't think Citra was the target. I think this was all because of the "Switch 2", which is probably very similar to the Switch we have now. If they want the next console to be backwards compatible with the Switch, which has a bazillion titles for it, then they're also opening the door for something like a ntrboot hack. You'll notice that they delayed the announcement of the next console to next Spring at the same time they started going after Yuzu and some of the hacking software for the Switch.

Now, having said that, considering the Citra Team were issuing updates right up until they announced their agreement with Nintendo, and it was an agreement done completely outside the courts, makes me think there's more to this than what the press release said on the subject. Citra was never a part of this right up until the agreement. Consider this, there's SNES emulators for the original DS, yet the SNES Virtual Console titles can only run on a New 3DS. If they want their next gen console to have 3DS titles on their Nintendo Online service, Nintendo now has the code to do that.

Since there's absolutely no reason to take Citra down, but the Citra Team took it down along with Nintendo, and this was done very quickly(Citra and Yuzu were updated over the weekend before the agreement) and outside of any public court record, I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo either hired the core Citra Team or bought their work despite what both sides said publicly.

 

[DJPlace]

nintendo needs to focus on making there new system or whatever the fuck it is. leave emulation of this gen alone you prick's or i'm going add more fuel to fire on your asses don't forget i am the boycotter of newer nintendo stuff and my mother FUCKING gun's prove it.

 

[greensciuto]

So this is the end of Suyu?

 

[anotherthing]

So this is the end of Suyu?

Apparently not. They're just hosting their file somewhere else.

 

[greensciuto]

Apparently not. They're just hosting their file somewhere else.

In fact it was seeming strange to me that their site was still open

 

[gisel213]

I don't think Citra was the target. I think this was all because of the "Switch 2", which is probably very similar to the Switch we have now. If they want the next console to be backwards compatible with the Switch, which has a bazillion titles for it, then they're also opening the door for something like a ntrboot hack. You'll notice that they delayed the announcement of the next console to next Spring at the same time they started going after Yuzu and some of the hacking software for the Switch.

Now, having said that, considering the Citra Team were issuing updates right up until they announced their agreement with Nintendo, and it was an agreement done completely outside the courts, makes me think there's more to this than what the press release said on the subject. Citra was never a part of this right up until the agreement. Consider this, there's SNES emulators for the original DS, yet the SNES Virtual Console titles can only run on a New 3DS. If they want their next gen console to have 3DS titles on their Nintendo Online service, Nintendo now has the code to do that.

Since there's absolutely no reason to take Citra down, but the Citra Team took it down along with Nintendo, and this was done very quickly(Citra and Yuzu were updated over the weekend before the agreement) and outside of any public court record, I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo either hired the core Citra Team or bought their work despite what both sides said publicly.

Honestly I bet they tried a image of a switch 2 game probably still xci nsp and probably same keys... it probably booted scaring the shit outta them now that would be funny... but wait it's nintendo we're talking about lazy on security puts out 1st trillion switches with unpatchable bug... changes offsets to block rcm yet system loads everything the same after that.... random chip to bypass lazy security and bam same loading after boot up great security lol This whole thing is Nintendos own fault.

 

[BaamAlex]

Imagine if Nintendo was this fast at dealing with other issues.

Then we might not have hackable consoles from Nintendo xD

 

[tommasi]

Are you trying to tell me that emulator is no longer available online

 

[Jayinem]

Yuzu wasnt shut down by the dmca they voluntarily shut down after a Nintendo lawsuit, but now dmca can just shutdown emulators?

 

[ShadowOne333]

Yuzu wasnt shut down by the dmca they voluntarily shut down after a Nintendo lawsuit, but now dmca can just shutdown emulators?

It was the inevitable next step once Yuzu folded.
Now Nintendo will aim to strike down any emulator for current gen consoles.

If I were the Ryujinx guys, I'll be making mirrors on other repo sites outside Gitlab and Github, something outside US jurisdiction would be the best in this case.

 

[dradonhunter11]

Seem like it was moved
https://git.suyu.dev/suyu/suyu

 

[Ryab]

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Emulator takedowns continue. Not long after its first release, Suyu emulator has been removed from GitLab via a DMCA takedown. Suyu was a Nintendo Switch emulator forked from Yuzu emulator, which was the high-profile subject of a takedown by Nintendo last month. GitLab deleted Suyu's repository, stating that they'd received a takedown notice for the project. The tongue-in-cheek named emulator still has an official website up, though the Discord is not allowing new members, and the GitLab download page is gone. However, it seems a self-hosted download page is still available.

Source
Takedown notice (courtesy of gamingonlinux)

What seems interesting is that we don't even know if this was Nintendo or Gitlab themselves. I wouldnt be shocked if Gitlab was taking it down here.

 

[Xzi]

One problem, Nintendo can still sue them, doesn't matter whether they're right or wrong and in the US AFAIK you don't automatically get legal costs back.

There would be no legal basis for a lawsuit, so any judge worthy of their position would toss it as frivolous. You're correct however that Nintendo relies on the victims defendants not having the money or legal representation necessary to fight back.

It also doesn't help that Yuzu settled leaving everything ambiguous in terms of the actual legality.

Legality stays exactly where it was with the precedent set by the Bleem case. Pre-trial settlements cannot and do not alter established case law.

 

[MikaTh]

What... the switch not stable enough for you?

i mean... A system that can barely play it's own games while not having half the features previous systems from the same family had and also having the most broken controllers nintendo ever made (not even my n64 controllers broke as fast as the joy con)... yeah it isn' stable enough.

 

[ShadowOne333]

i mean... A system that can barely play it's own games while not having half the features previous systems from the same family had and also having the most broken controllers nintendo ever made (not even my n64 controllers broke as fast as the joy con)... yeah it isn' stable enough.

Feature removal is a side-effect of Nintendo being fucking paranoid of exploits, hence not even having a basic internet browser on the thing.
The same applies for media players and other things, it's like Nintendo punishes customers for their own negligence, stupidity and lack of proper security.
if this doesn't scream anticonsumer I don't know what does.

 

[tech3475]

There would be no legal basis for a lawsuit, so any judge worthy of their position would toss it as frivolous. You're correct however that Nintendo relies on the victims defendants not having the money or legal representation necessary to fight back.


Legality stays exactly where it was with the precedent set by the Bleem case. Pre-trial settlements cannot and do not alter established case law.

Not necessarily, depending on the judge and POTENTIAL contradictions in the the good old DMCA (/s):
https://gbatemp.net/threads/the-unknowns-of-emulation-a-breakdown-of-yuzu-v-nintendo.650187/

For the record, I'd hope Nintendo lose any such lawsuit, but I suspect we'd need a martyr like Bleem! To remove any ambiguity/potential legal vectors for Nintendo and create a precedent for emulators of systems utilising encryption.

That said, I wonder how Nintendo would react if there was an emulator which required everything to be pre-decrypted and the emulator devs gave zero hints as to how to acquire them.....wouldn't be surprised if they still tried, even if there was zero legal backing.

 

[Kioku]

i mean... A system that can barely play it's own games while not having half the features previous systems from the same family had and also having the most broken controllers nintendo ever made (not even my n64 controllers broke as fast as the joy con)... yeah it isn' stable enough.

I mean... there's a joke in my post.

 

[NiQ1]

Seem like it was moved
https://git.suyu.dev/suyu/suyu

Yeah, it's self-hosted now, so there's no 3rd party to send DMCA claims to. And if someone tries to use the DMCA link on the new git they'll have a nice surprise.