How I think Nintendo can come back

Let me just start off by saying, I fucking love the 3DS. It's probably my favorite handheld I have ever had, if not it's a close second behind the Gameboy Color.

I've been seeing a lot of comments lately on the forums, and around the web, about how Nintendo is done. They've tapped the well dry. I've also seen a lot of comments saying that the 3DS sucks. But I'm willing to bet that 80% of people who complain about the 3DS, never actually tried it, or are just jumping on the bandwagon to hate Nintendo.

I think Nintendo started changing when they released the Wii. They didn't advertise the console as "IN YOUR FACE!" like they did with the GameCube and N64. They started going for a whole "lets be simple and elegant" type feel. And to me, they've changed from the Nintendo that we all loved, to a Nintendo, that just some of us loved.

Here's a list of ways that I think Nintendo should do to bounce back to become the gaming juggernaut.



Games
"omgwtfbbqlolzumad?" You read that right, games. Their games are no longer ones that top lists. Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 are phenomenal games, but comparing it to say Super Mario World, they fall short for some reason. Super Mario World had that touch where, after you beat it, you wanna go through it again. Even when your old as hell, you still want to go through it. It's the best Mario game ever for some, while for others, it's Super Mario Bros. 3. Nintendo has stopped putting that final touch on their games, and it's a shame really. Years down the road, is there going to be a big list saying Mario Galaxy is the best Mario game ever? Is it considered the best game this generation?

They've also, for some unknown reason, started letting EVERY. SINGLE. GAME to be released on their Wii. What do I mean?
Petz, mini games, fire fighter games, and flash games. Yes we all know that every console gets some bad games, but Nintendo didn't even attempt to keep their console clean of the bad games. They need to step it up, stop the shitty games, bring us epic games that can contend with what Sony and Microsoft offers.

Online
Well... lack of one I should say. Let's face it, the online for Nintendo's consoles, isn't exactly top notch. They don't have the services or functionality that PSN and Xbox Live has. It's broken in a lot of games, and the games that could benefit from online, don't have it.

And I know we all agree with this one, but scrap the friendcodes. Nobody likes it, and as long as they continue to use it, I think Nintendo's online will suffer. Nobody wants to put in a 12-16 digit number. Make it a simple name like PSN and Live gives you. It's so much easier. And you can still have the parental controls all there. Also, allow us to use Mic's for EVERY game that goes online. I mean, the whole point of online is to compete against actual humans right, and have fun? It's kind of hard to do that when it feels like we're fighting against a CPU.

Console Name
Does this one need an explanation? Whoever decided to call the Wii the...Wii, deserves to take a paycut. And now WiiU? It's as if they're just running with the jokes instead of fixing their image. It's worse than bringing out the Color Gameboys (note, I said Color Gameboys, not Gameboy Color). Make it a name that doesn't make us embarrassed to say or own.

They've been naming their handhelds just fine, but they goofed up by calling the successor to the DS, the 3DS. And it doesn't take a genius to know that a lot of people will think 3DS is just an upgraded DS. Considering the 3DS looks eerily familiar to the DS in pretty much every way aside from a few things, it's easily mistakable as just being an upgraded DS.

Stop alienating players
What do I mean by this? Easy, think of games like the Last Story. So many people in North America want that game along with others. Nintendo is aware as they have responded to the petition set up by people. But they still don't release it here for us North Americans? It's a great way to single out people, and force them to go to other consoles.

Nintendo has said that they want to bring us gamers all together and whatever. But it's kind of hard when we aren't getting the same games.

Controller
Don't get me wrong, the Wii Remote is a great controller, but the novelty of the motion control disappears. I mean, what was wrong with having just a regular d-pad, analog sticks, and buttons? It's worked in the past and it's still working now. A lot of gamers don't want to get up off the couch, because that's not what gamers do. We want to play games that suck us into another world and makes us live a story. We don't want to be standing up flailing our arms getting exercise. If we did, we'd go outside and ride a bike.

Advertising
What the hell happened?! Advertising was one of Nintendo's biggest points back in the NES/SNES days. It was as if you couldn't turn the TV on without seeing something with Nintendo's logo on it. But now, there's hardly any commercials for their new consoles, there's hardly any advertising on TV or in Magazines (Nintendo Power doesn't count), or even ad's while walking down the street. It's no wonder why a lot of people aren't buying their stuff, not everybody knows about it.

The young has become the new standard

Remember when Nintendo made games that appealed to older gamers? I mean gamers 15 and up? They advertised to that crowd, and that crowd bought the products. And guess what, the younger crowd bought it too. Why? The younger audience is impressionable. If they see something that their older brother thinks is cool, they're going to think it's cool and want it. Nintendo should be making games appealing not to kids, but to the older crowd. Every other company does it, because it works.


There's probably more things that have changed, no doubt. But these are the things that stand out the most for me. And remember this is opinion. Obviously your opinion is going to differ from mind, and our lists won't even be the same. So instead of posting going "YOU IDIOT LOLZOLZ!11!", post what you disagree with, why, and what you would change.

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I agree with pretty much everything.
However, the games... they need to produce more variety of first party content.
How long are they gonna keep on making Mario games.
They are not BAD, but it just makes me feel tired mentally.. yet another Mario o.o

I probably wont be getting Mario Kart 3D(7). Might get Luigis Mansion.. we will see.
 
I don't mind Mario games, they just gotta stop putting him in everything. I mean, did we really need a Mario Galaxy 2? No, it was nice, but not much different from the first. If they release him once in a while like they do with Link, and have that one game being epic, then that would be great.

But I think because we see Mario in pretty much everything, even his epic quests don't seem that epic, because it's like.. so what, we've played so much of him.
 
I agree with everything you listed.

And I feel like highlighting the wanting to replay games part. That's so true, I find myself running through Super Mario Bros., SMB3 and Super Mario World weekly. The recent games are fun, but they aren't as fun the second time and on.
 
Make less shovelware,bring over more japan titles,cut down on rehashing older games and for the love of god find a way to bring some zoid titles back on the nintendo system for us english speaking folk...
 
I agree with you, the success of the Wii and DS has given them so much profit that they can afford to slip up with the 3DS. This is a 30 years old experienced company in the video game industry, they'll know what to do.

Only good software will increase the sales for the 3DS, thankfully holiday season is looking good, 3DS hasn't failed, it's just they Nintendo expectations were higher.
 
The games were never the godliest things to hit this planet, especially Nintendo novelty titles. Don't get me wrong, Zelda/Mario/etc are all pretty great and very enjoyable overall, but none of them are on my "best games ever" list. I'd say the most enjoyable game I can remember for my Wii was Arc Rise Fantasia. That was a pretty fantastic game overall. Tales of Symphonia 2 was great too (though completely subpar compared to a typical Tales game, except the story was still good).

The online sucks, we all know it. But i've never considered the Nintendo consoles to be online consoles. If I wanna play something online, i'll use my 360. The system they have right now is good enough as long as it gets supported, like Mario Kart. Mario Kart's online is fantastically stable...so they CAN provide stability if they feel like it.


The names suck and i've always complained about it, but overall it really doesn't matter.
and the 3DS IS an upgraded DS. It's the same system, with 3D, better hardware, and a few new features.

You bet they need to get more games localized. The western Wii market is seriously missing out on some good games, The Last Story being a huuuuuuge example as you said. It's insane they haven't localized it.

They don't need advertising really. Everyone already knows them, plus all of their commercials are fucking terrible now.
 
8. I'll add one more thing.

Miyamoto has a tendency to do something called "Upending the Tea Table"* where he'll completely scrape a good but not great idea at or near the completion of a project. This leads to less projects being completed overall and is thus a partial reason they don't have enough titles to satisfy the hardcore's demand.

Iwata needs to put his foot down and stop Miyamoto from doing this so Nintendo can be more productive. The lack of games resulting from "Upending the Tea Table" is killing Nintendo.

* http://www.industrygamers.com/news/zelda-p...or-development/
 
[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3820445' date='Aug 7 2011, 05:54 PM']and the 3DS IS an upgraded DS. It's the same system, with 3D, better hardware, and a few new features.[/quote]

So then it's fair to assume that the PS3 is just an upgraded PS2, 360 just an upgraded Xbox, DS just an upgrade Gameboy, and Firefox just an upgraded Netscape?

And it doesn't matter if people know Nintendo or not, they still need to advertise in at least commercials for their hardware and games. Sony, Apple, Microsoft, Blackberry and other companies all do it. We all know them. It's how you sell your products. Just like Halo 3. Everybody knows of Halo, but Microsoft still spent over $200 million advertising it, and look, it raked in so much money for them it was worth it. Nintendo could benefit from doing a few big advertisements. I'll be shocked if I don't see it for Skyward Sword, or the next Mario game.
 
[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3820450' date='Aug 8 2011, 02:56 AM'][quote name='Hells Malice' post='3820445' date='Aug 7 2011, 05:54 PM']and the 3DS IS an upgraded DS. It's the same system, with 3D, better hardware, and a few new features.[/quote]

So then it's fair to assume that the PS3 is just an upgraded PS2, 360 just an upgraded Xbox, DS just an upgrade Gameboy, and Firefox just an upgraded Netscape?
[/quote]

The PS3 is an upgraded PS2. The 360 is an upgrade xbox, the DS is in no way an upgrade gameboy, they're completely different aside from being handhelds, and Firefox is its own browser, it's pretty different from most browsers, or was. Wait does netscape still exist? I remember that back in 1999.
Oh and the Wii isn't an upgraded gamecube, since they're both way different. Namely that GC played minidisks and Wii plays full sized. (that's just 1 of many reasons).

I don't quite think you understand the different between upgrades and something new/different.
Look at a gameboy, and look at a DS. They're nothing alike. Look at a DS/DSL/DSi/DSiXL/3DS. They're very, very, very similar. Some are just different proportions, and some just have different doodads on 'em like a camera or SD slot. But they all look the same, and function essentially identical (top screen+ bottom touchscreen, mic, same button layout minus 1 analog stick for 3DS), even using virtually identical game carts (nubs aside).
 
[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3820459' date='Aug 7 2011, 06:05 PM'][quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3820450' date='Aug 8 2011, 02:56 AM'][quote name='Hells Malice' post='3820445' date='Aug 7 2011, 05:54 PM']and the 3DS IS an upgraded DS. It's the same system, with 3D, better hardware, and a few new features.[/quote]

So then it's fair to assume that the PS3 is just an upgraded PS2, 360 just an upgraded Xbox, DS just an upgrade Gameboy, and Firefox just an upgraded Netscape?
[/quote]

The PS3 is an upgraded PS2. The 360 is an upgrade xbox, the DS is in no way an upgrade gameboy, they're completely different aside from being handhelds, and Firefox is its own browser, it's pretty different from most browsers, or was. Wait does netscape still exist? I remember that back in 1999.
Oh and the Wii isn't an upgraded gamecube, since they're both way different. Namely that GC played minidisks and Wii plays full sized.

I don't quite think you understand the different between upgrades and something new/different.
Look at a gameboy, and look at a DS. They're nothing alike. Look at a DS/DSL/DSi/DSiXL/3DS. They're very, very, very similar. Some are just different proportions, and some just have different doodads on 'em like a camera or SD slot. But they all look the same, and function essentially identical (top screen+ bottom touchscreen, mic, same button layout minus 1 analog stick for 3DS), even using virtually identical game carts (nubs aside).
[/quote]

I'm sorry but you're wrong. Just because something looks the same, doesn't mean it is the same. A lot of things look the same but are still completely different. If you're saying 3DS is upgrade of DS, then there's no reason why Firefox isn't an upgrade from Netscape. Both searched the web. Both browsed, both used data and everything. The only thing that made them different was security, and features.

And if we're still running with your thought, then a brand new 2011 GMC pickup is just an upgraded 1980 GMC pickup. An iPod is just an upgraded MPIO player. A brand new computer is just an upgraded computer from 1995.

They look the same, but they're different in pretty much every single way. The only thing that the 3DS has that looks from the DS line is the two screens, clamshell design, camera and mic. Everything else is brand new (d-pad and buttons aside).
 
Dude, this is awesome. Maybe you should send it to Nintendo
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/webform.jsp

That's the best I can find, maybe you should even mail it to them. Like Snail mail, it'll hopefully make more of an impression.

Nintendo of America Inc.
4820 150th Ave. Northeast
Redmond, WA 98052

The Internet is my Friend :P
 
Lets just put it this way.

Do you consider the DSi to be an upgraded DS? Or a completely different handheld. (here's a hint, it's an upgrade...just like the 3DS). Also i'll give firefox to ya. If netscape was the first browser ever, then sure it's totally an upgraded netscape.

Though frankly if you don't get the difference between new and upgraded, i'm sorry...but you're too retarded for me to explain it to you. Based on your post, yeah...no. I can buy you a helmet and find you an adult helper, but I can't teach you anything.
 
[quote name='Hells Malice' post='3820476' date='Aug 7 2011, 06:15 PM']Lets just put it this way.

Do you consider the DSi to be an upgraded DS? Or a completely different handheld. (here's a hint, it's an upgrade...just like the 3DS). Also i'll give firefox to ya. If netscape was the first browser ever, then sure it's totally an upgraded netscape.

Though frankly if you don't get the difference between new and upgraded, i'm sorry...but you're too retarded for me to explain it to you. Based on your post, yeah...no. I can buy you a helmet and find you an adult helper, but I can't teach you anything.[/quote]

And here you are again insulting again. What a shame, I thought I was finally able to take you serious.

And yes, the DSi is an upgrade, a lot of the hardware in it isn't new. But the 3DS has new hardware. And if that doesn't constitute as being "new" to you, then why even post in this thread, me and you aren't going to get anywhere, and you're going to do nothing but insult to back up your argument to force it upon us you are right.
 
[quote name='machomuu' post='3820497' date='Aug 7 2011, 06:31 PM']Come back? When did they ever leave?[/quote]

Around 2005.
 
Come back? They never went anywhere.

Over 1 million 3DS consoles sold so far.

Over 1 million copies of Zelda for 3DS sold.

I don't think they need a come back. They just need to pump out more titles is all. And no, I'm not a 3D zelda fan so I don't plan on owning that title unless for collecting.

And under an odd turn of events, I, the amptor, prefer the 3DS unhacked and I enjoy purchasing the games. I just got Ridge Racer 3DS and I like it. I like all the games that are out already pretty much. It is one of the best consoles of all time.
 
It's less "how I think Nintendo can come back."

More "this is how I want Nintendo to throw away the market they've created and start catering personally to my demographic."
 
I'll add another thing:

9. Originality. Seriously, all we see nowadays are sequels and remakes. The last original title I can remember is Pikmin, and that was in 2001. Make some more characters and universes!
 
[quote name='ShadowSoldier' post='3820502' date='Aug 8 2011, 02:37 AM'][quote name='machomuu' post='3820497' date='Aug 7 2011, 06:31 PM']Come back? When did they ever leave?[/quote]

Around 2005.
[/quote]

Your view is very biased and you did mention that in the first post but I am just going to point out a few flaws in your list. The games you say?
1. No company just out right says no to shovelware if it sells. I think the wii has the right amount of sholverlware, im sure alot of ignorant users will stop reading around here and start bashing but hear me out. Go look at the NES/SNES/GENESIS consoles as an example: there are so many glitchy,buggy, shitty games that were released, do we remember them? No, you only remember the games you enjoyed. If nintendo had released the wii with specs similar to the xbox360/ps3 then you would get games that would be multiplatform and the same. the main problem with the wii is the specs aren't up to par with the competition. That is not to say the wii didn't have great games, it has some of the best games i've played and there are mature games on the wii go play the godfather, scarface, madworld all of them "mature" titles.
2. Console name, when has a consumer truly cared what a product calls itself? It would only matter if its offensive... i mean what the hell does ipod mean? xbox? An for the ds to 3ds naming, what about gameboy and gameboy color or gameboy advance? How do you explain to someone what the difference between someone from a xbox to an xbox360 if they have not experienced it? The naming is only going to be confusing for those who don't keep up with their handhelds give it a few months probably near xmas when every kid wants one to play mario kart 7 that the whole world will know the difference.
3. This brings me to the next point advertisement, what better advertisement than the internet. Before you would turn on the tv and then see a commercial for super mario world and then go out and buy it, now thanks to the internet you can find out months b4 the game is even out for you to be ready to purchase it, the biggest advertiser is now the internet. Word of mouth is still a very strong selling point especially for something like the 3ds, only someone who has experienced the 3D of the 3DS can explain it better than a 2D commerical on the tv.
4. The last story and the whole rainfall operation.... they are rpgs and you know what happens in the west with rpgs? they dont sell well, its a small market. I agree though, NoA should have at least told everybody the truth in an open letter why they wouldn't release the games.
5. For controls, go play goldeneye for the wii, pointing to the screen will always work better than any analog stick or dpad in the world, you cry gimmick, go look at old arcade games, they started out with a 4 way joystick and 2 buttons, now well besides almost dead you can find those cabinets with lightguns to play a shooter, or an 8 way joystick with 8 buttons or a yolk for a flight sim, Different ways to control a game has always been a pinnacle to progress, what are you going to do as time goes on? more buttons? I mean eventually won't we want games with more features and the limitations of buttons severely limits that, motion controls let you get way more sucked in into a game than any regular joystick controller granted that of course the game was built for motion controls and not tacked on which has been a great issue for the wii a bunch of half baked motion control tacked on games.I say with time eventually more games will be better adapted to motion controls.
6. When you say gamers 15 and up what do you mean? M rated games or games that are more bought by poeple 15 and up because i can assure you that more 20+ year olds play pokemon than little kids, the wii has its fair share of M rated games, when most poeple bring this up its always fps and the major problem with them is that developers want a beefy system to make an fps, a person who is out in the market looking for that amazing fps game isnt looking for a story, or motioncontrols, or 3D he/she is looking for graphics. Not only better graphics but better engine capabilities, you want to see more enemies on screen and real time damage and a physics engine and the fact is the wii can't provide that as great as a ps3 or 360 can.


I think i skipped a few points countering your points lol, the main problem with the wii and 3DS isnt that its "gimmicky", because they aren,t if you truly think they are a gimmick then so are color tvs, touchpads, touch screens, hi-def, a coordless phone,etc. All of these are technological advances but a technoglical path of progress isnt always linear, its like a tree many things branch off. The main problem has been that nintendo isn't getting enough 3rd party attention, it needs better specs, its not always about graphics, there are other subtle things such as destructible environment and better physics engine that can really enhance gameplay. Oh and after 2005 nintendo became THE videogame juggernaut leaving the competition behind. All of the 3ds crap thats being said doesn't even matter, once mario kart 7 comes out, everybody is gonna go bananas over it and nintendo is just going to bounce back bigger than ever.



 
Games,Online,"The young has become the new standard": This is what Nintendo aims to fix with the help of developers and the release of the WiiU.

Console Name Irrelevant. As long as the console itself plays good and people enjoy playing it, the console name doesn't really matter.

AdvertisingMoney, which is the area that Nintendo isn't doing very well in if I read the papers correct.

ControllerNintendo didn't change the format of the controller because it wasn't working, they changed it to try and bring innovation/new concepts to gaming. It's ironic what you said about getting into the gameplay with a regular controller, because the Wii Remote was also supposed to get you into the game more as well. (you fetty)

Stop alienating players This baffles me completely...buuut it could also be money. Only a handfull of people know about Operation Rainfall in comparison to the people that know about Nintendo. They probably still think that the games might not do well here in the US.


Nintendo saw some if the problems that the Wii had and seek to fix these problems with the release of their next gen console. We need to see what course Nintento will go after the release of the WiiU. It's WAY too early to tell.
 

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