Who was better

Jack..Without a doubt..
But Heath came really close.....He was great....

Looking at Jack, it looks like he was born for that part..........NOONE can beat him at that....

Just my opinion!

[quote name='Toni Plutonij' post='1320611' date='Aug 5 2008, 10:30 AM']Jack..Without a doubt..
But Heath came really close.....He was great....

Looking at Jack, it looks like he was born for that part..........NOONE can beat him at that....

Just my opinion![/quote]
Fairly certain you're in the minority there, buddy...Heath Ledger will always be Joker to me, just as Dark Knight will always be the definitive Batman flick for me.

Well, yeah, I see that people like Dark Knight Better..
But I'm just that "old fashion" type.......First two Batmans will always be the best for me..

Catwoman was destroyed by Hallie Berry.....What a crap of movie....

Dark Knight is amazing movie, but it's actually unfair to compare it with First Batman, as they are filmed in totally different styles.......I like Burton Better.......

But I do realize that some people "worship" Dark Knight.. It's just not me..

You're missing 3 (I know you are focusing movies, but still, you're missing out on a lot)

Mark Hamill (Batman: The Animated Series)
Ceasar Romero (60's Batman)
Kevin Michael Richardson (The Batman)

For my money Mark Hamill embodied the Joker (or at least got to his core) and his interpretation, if only done vocally is the definitive version of the Joker to me, I've yet to see someone play Joker out to be that ruthless, crazy and psychotic as he can. After seeing Dark Knight, that's the only thing I kept coming back to was, Ledger's was good, but he just was missing the screw loose the Joker needs, that something that Mark Hamill brought to the part and let loose.

So I'm voting for Luke "The Joker" Skywalker as the best ever.

heath was actually scarier.
the dark knight was intense, and heath scared the crap out of me. too bad he died.

[quote name='mario5555' post='1320721' date='Aug 5 2008, 01:12 PM']You're missing 3 (I know you are focusing movies, but still, you're missing out on a lot)

Mark Hamill (Batman: The Animated Series)
Ceasar Romero (60's Batman)
Kevin Michael Richardson (The Batman)

For my money Mark Hamill embodied the Joker (or at least got to his core) and his interpretation, if only done vocally is the definitive version of the Joker to me, I've yet to see someone play Joker out to be that ruthless, crazy and psychotic as he can. After seeing Dark Knight, that's the only thing I kept coming back to was, Ledger's was good, but he just was missing the screw loose the Joker needs, that something that Mark Hamill brought to the part and let loose.

So I'm voting for Luke "The Joker" Skywalker as the best ever.[/quote]
I know of all those movies/series..But I was focusing on comparison of Nicholson vs. Ledger..

I'm just saying that Nicholson was the one that was perfect (at least I see it that way), so anybody (even Ledger) can come close to him, but cant be better, because he did that part, he act it like he was really born just to act like Joker..
In my opinion, Nicholson was everything that Joker is supposed to be (nutty, evil, crazy, brutal, senseless......), he was cheerful Joker yet crazy..
While Ledger acted more on a dark psychotic side, with few very funny moments, but most of the time, DARK!!
So it's really hard to compare those two, as they impersonate Joker in their own way, and did it amazingly..It's just the matter of ones preferences which atmosphere and "aura" of character they like..

with nicholsons performance you can say 'hey look its jack nicholson playing some funny psycho- hes good'
with ledger its 'that guys a psycho'

ledger is the guy that seems to immerse himself in a role whilst nicholson is just wearing an outfit and playing the same char he often does with some variation.
perhaps this is due to ledgers lack of massive charsisma that nicholson has but i prefer him in this.

Mark Hamill (Batman: The Animated Series)

He did a Good Job and i think he had a great voice for the park in the Animated movie, which was great.

To be honest, Heath did a better impersonation of the Joker.
First of all, the guy's a crazy psycho. Nicholson was more a cheerful joker which doesn't work quite well for the boss of a big gang. Heath just oozed in power and it totally made sense why all those goons were following him but nicholson just popped them out of thin air.

Secondly, Heath is much closer to the comic book version seeing as the joker is in fact a attention-seeking psycho. The way he kept licking his lips, how he kept changing the story of how he got his scars, the way he got unbelievably scary when his hostage refused to look at him.
And lets not forget the nurse outfit now shall we. Nicholson focused more on the crazy/funny joker and missed out some stuff. I also liked how heaths "joker" didn't have his origins explained.

His setup also looked cooler. Nicholson looked weird in his clothes but heath looked totally in place. Nicholson also got a bit pathetic towards the end of the film while heath kept all his dignity. Also, heath could totally take on the batman one on one while nicholson lost poorly.
And lastly, nicholson loses points for appearing without makup.

I think the answer is clear.

I think that jack played a great joker, heth played from a different series in the batman world, and so did jack, you cant say one did better by comic standers, there are many different series.

In my opinion you cant really compare the two jokers (ledger and nicholson), because they are two different interpretations of joker.

Jack played the more comical joker from the earlier comics and somewhat like the cartoons,

Ledger played the malicious and sadistical joker from (Millers comics I THINK).

I did like Ledger's added parts, like the licking of the lips and that goofy walk, those were great.

But I also like Jack's laugh and the part where he pulled what looks like a 50 cal out of his pants to shoot down the Bat-Plane thing!

Heath ftw

I disagree on so many levels..
First, I would say (as I already said), it's a matter of someones personal liking..Both were great Jokers..

But some of your facts aren't holding at all!!

First of all, the guy's a crazy psycho. Nicholson was more a cheerful joker which doesn't work quite well for the boss of a big gang. Heath just oozed in power and it totally made sense why all those goons were following him but nicholson just popped them out of thin air.

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Both were psychos....Ledger did it in a dark kind of way, Nicholson on a cheerful kind of way..If you forgot the first Batman, watch it again, you'll see that Nicholson had his "psycho" moments too!
Heath actually got his "goons" out of thin air also! Those guys from the beginning of the movie worked for Joker, but never met him, I don't see where's the good explanation why would they work for him, plus, he was a "one guy team", for the rest of the movie he didn't have his people, but there were always few guy following him, with no explanation why!! But with Nicholson, you had the explanation, he was a former gangster with connection, he killed his boss and "kept the people"..

Secondly, Heath is much closer to the comic book version seeing as the joker is in fact a attention-seeking psycho. The way he kept licking his lips, how he kept changing the story of how he got his scars, the way he got unbelievably scary when his hostage refused to look at him.

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Actually, if you ever read the comic, you would see that Nicholson was much closer to the part..Do you remember what was the main goal of Nicholson Joker? Poison laughing gas for the whole city!! Nicholson wasn't actually trying to scare people, if you're a Joker, that's what you do, joke..not fear..Nicholson didn't took hostages and spread the fear, his main point is to make people like him (on behalf of their stupidity and greed), and to best the Batman!

And lets not forget the nurse outfit now shall we. Nicholson focused more on the crazy/funny joker and missed out some stuff. I also liked how heaths "joker" didn't have his origins explained.

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I really don't see anything that Nicholson missed, he did very balanced character..But he was never brutal as Heath, it's true..but Joker isn't meant to be on a physical side at all..

His setup also looked cooler. Nicholson looked weird in his clothes but heath looked totally in place. Nicholson also got a bit pathetic towards the end of the film while heath kept all his dignity. Also, heath could totally take on the batman one on one while nicholson lost poorly.

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Actually, again, no! Nicholson was always dignified, neat, clean..Ledger was dirty, messed up, unwashed hair..(they were total opposite to each other, now it's just matter how do you imagine a Joker when you think of one)
Nicholson didn't became pathetic at all, actually, after taking out the BatPlane (whatever is it called), he climbed that tower and danced!! He laughed all the time he was beaten (even managed to punc Batman few times), and he even made that teeth joke! While Ledger only took beatings in a prison..he never took one on one with Batman?!?!

And lastly, nicholson loses points for appearing without makup.

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This is the fact where you messed up the worst..
Nicholson never appeared without makeup (in a way you mean) because his face was clown-a-like after the surgery!! The white face with the red lips IS HIS REAL FACE, he had to wear makeup to hide it when he was going into public..Watch the movie again, you'll see..He was using a powder (in a skin tone) to appear normal..
Bur Ledger did appear in the movie without the makeup!! The scene where major had that speech, Ledger was dressed like a soldier, he tried to kill him, you can see Heaths face for a short time, and he's not wearing any make up!!

After all that said, it's not about clearing the answer!!
Some people like Heath better, some Nicholson!!

I just liked that "Gothic Noir" atmosphere in the first Batman over this new hi-tech Gotham!!

But don't get me wrong, I really liked and enjoyed both movies almost equally..

I have to go with Ledger. Because, as stated a couple of posts up, Nicholson's Joker is Nicholson. I mean, any role Jack plays, you say "Hey, its Jack Nicholson as _________!" I tried, REALLY tried, to see or hear Ledger while watching Dark Knight, and i couldn't pull him out. The Joker wasn't Heath Ledger, he was The Joker. Had he not died after the movie, and he could have gotten more work, i'd put him into the same category in which there has only been one member which i can say is Gary Oldman. The Chameleon Actor list. I mean, Ledgers name was thrown all over the role... but that was because of his death. Oldman disappears into the characters he playes. Ledger did that with his own Joker.

EDIT: Oh, and i must say, Mark Hamill has the voice. That is the voice i shall always connect with The Joker. However Ledger completely changed his voice for his performance, which i thought was stunned because there was no trace of a recognizable voice in there.

I know who wins best costume..

EDIT: Crap, I acidently pressed Jack

Should be 3-16 to Heath

Heath did look good.

Too bad he died

I totally wanted to see a teamup of the joker and twoface in the next film

[quote name='Xcalibur' post='1321816' date='Aug 5 2008, 10:47 PM']Too bad he died

I totally wanted to see a teamup of the joker and twoface in the next film[/quote]
I second that..

Well, it's possible they CGI him or something (and it could look just as realistic), but knowing that Ledger died, it would feel bad..

[quote name='Toni Plutonij' post='1321835' date='Aug 5 2008, 09:57 PM'][quote name='Xcalibur' post='1321816' date='Aug 5 2008, 10:47 PM']Too bad he died

I totally wanted to see a teamup of the joker and twoface in the next film[/quote]
I second that..

Well, it's possible they CGI him or something (and it could look just as realistic), but knowing that Ledger died, it would feel bad..
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did you really just say that.

Sorry, I expressed badly......

It was supposed to sound like this:
There is a possibility that they will CGI him, or try to animate him from recorded material, just so they could end the Joker chapter (now when Ledger died), but I don't think it would be fair to Ledger and his memory..

(I don't know if you're aware, but filming industry isn't that soft hearted..If you remember the movie Romeo must die, that was the last movie that pop star Aalyiah was acting, and she died during the filming of the movie, and although she was dead, they managed to end the movie like she acted all the way)..

I was just stating that there is a possibility that thay could do that..not that they should!!