Ground Zero Mosque. Yes or No?

[MelodieOctavia]

No...I don't think it should be built. In the same vein I don't think that a Church, a Mormon or Jewish temple, or any place of worship should be placed there.

What should be placed there is a phone booth. Yes, a phone booth where you will automatically linked into a voice mail server, and from there you will be able to say a soldiers name that has been sent overseas, and a message to that soldier. The message will then be relayed to whatever base he's staying at, for him to listen at his leisure. Yes. That's what should be built. and ON ground zero..not 2 blocks from it.

 

[Issac]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

Actually, while Hitler was raised Catholic it is unknown if he was a true Catholic because of contradicting statements made by himself and those around him. So it's not known if he handled the way he did because of his religion. With Muslim extremists it is often known that they handle in the name of Allah, because they say so. So your argument doesn't really hold up.

You are absolutely right though that muslims and muslim extremists are completely different people, and people really shouldn't confuse the two. The extremist's Allah is not the same Allah as real muslims believe in.

I think you are confused a bit in a certain point (that, or I misunderstood you, in which I apologize)
Extremists BELIEVE that they ARE doing what Allah wants them to do (btw, Allah literally means God, it's just the Arabic translation for it)
Obviously that's wrong, and that's not the teachings of Islam..

What part? What I mean is, that while both extremists and regular muslims believe in Allah and handle in his name, the extremists have a different (fucked up) view. That is why I say that they don't have the same God. Technically, yes, they do have the same God. All Muslims honour one Allah, but I hope you get my point.

Yep then I misunderstood.. My apologies

Actually... Allah and the "christian" God is the same as well. just different interpretations (based on what my very religious muslim friend told me)

 

[taktularCBo]

Great, I hate it when polls like these come up.

I don't get why there is so much hate for Islam. Look at Hitler. He was Christian, and he eradicated a LOT of jews. Do they stop the building of churches in Germany? No.

The only reason there is so much hate is because people are UNFAMILIAR with Islam and the culture that goes along with it. Those extremists are just retarded, they are NOT a representation of Islam.

This poll is not against Muslims, read my first post inside the topic, many of my friends are Muslims. I don't know how you can connect a normal poll with racism. I don't generalize, but you seem to do.

P.S Hitler hated Religion and tried to push it away in favor of nordic/normanic customs.

P.P.S I edite my first post, to make my intentions clear.

 

[Madridi]

Actually... Allah and the "christian" God is the same as well. just different interpretations (based on what my very religious muslim friend told me)

That's also true. Same goes for the God Jews worship

 

[Ritsuki]

In fact, "Allah" means God in arabic. Just like "Dieu" in french or "Dio" in italian. The 3 monotheist religions are similar, they have the same prophets (the important ones, like Jesus, Abraham,... Even the angels are the same ones) but with a different interpretation.

 

[p1ngpong]

This is a touchy subject I know, but lets try and keep the discussion on topic and avoid flaming and arguments shall we? It saddens me how any topic relating to religion and sexuality ultimately always ends up getting closed here. It would make my week if there was no need to moderate this thread again guys.

 

[Skizzo]

Many muslims, no offence, get converted into extremists via mosques...

No offence, but many Muslim extremists are created (entrapped) by the U.S. govt. themselves via their ex-con informants/agents. Ever heard of William "Jameel" Chrisman? http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/12/...risman-fbi.html

Not to mention that if you look at terrorism and its goals objectively, you'd see that the U.S. govt. has been and continues to be the largest participant in such acts, although we like to refer to those types of acts as anything but, because the U.S. is 'exceptional' and therefore can do no wrong, regardless of how many lives are destroyed or lost as a result of said actions. It's all GOOD! Like poisoning untold numbers of people with our DU munitions.

I better stop now lest the truth get me in trouble once again.

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

People should realize that Islam is pretty simalar to the religions it was based of since it is the same thing just with another prophet because Islam came after Christianity and the only major difference besides that is that we dont believe Allah or God can have children so jesus isnt really the child of god in our religion

 

[Skizzo]

And for all of you people who believe the 'official story' and believe that 9/11 was carried out by 'extremist Muslims', please define what extremist means in this context. Because it certainly doesn't mean that they follow Islam to an extreme, otherwise they wouldn't be seen in strip clubs, getting drunk, filling their noses with cocaine and munching down pork, such as it's been reported Atta did.

Mohamed Atta, or rather the person playing the part of "Mohamed Atta," was in fact not a fanatical, religiously devout, suicidal, "jihadi" Muslim "terrorist." According to research articles published just after 9/11 in such mainstream publications as The Wall Street Journal, Atta was, surprisingly, a drunk, cocaine snorting, pork-eating playboy who enjoyed visiting the strip clubs in south Florida, and loved to loudly and drunkenly brag to everyone about how he was either a commercial pilot or a CIA agent. What he actually was, as will be illustrated later in this article, is a "patsy," a bit actor playing a role, for either American or Israeli intelligence, in a false flag terror operation that was to be officially blamed on "Muslim terrorist hijackers" working under the direction of a long-time CIA military-intelligence asset known as Usama bin Ladin./

 

[yuyuyup]

The fact this is debated is incredibly ridiculous. This is the United States of America. Leave the Mosque alone.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

I voted yes. It's not even ON ground zero. It's blocks away.

 

[Westside]

I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think that there were any plans to the 9/11 attack to build a mosque (who does that anyway?).
But I do think that the people affected by the attack might hold a grudge against muslims (Even if far from all muslims thinks that the attack was a good idea, i'm not saying anything like that) and a mosque at ground zero is like literary strew salt in an open wound.

Feel free to build a mosque anywhere BUT in that place.

Muslim extremists attack USA -> crash planes into twin towers -> build muslim mosque close to that place....... just no....

So you are saying that Islam is the motive behind the attacks? That is like saying because gay pornography is not something to be viewed by kids, therefore no homosexuals should be allowed to go to school. The good old American way of thinking huh?
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No I am trying as hard as I can NOT to say that (hence all the parenthesises!! I have many muslim friends and such I have nothing agains ANY religion).
And I'm not even american. (actually, the extremists say that they act by islam and stuff, even though I think that's just bullshit, and they use their religion in a fucked up way to blame their actions on).
SO I don't say that Islam is behind the attack, but the extemists behind the attack claim that they just "follow the quoran"... but please don't misinpret it that I think so :S
But anyway, what I said was that EXTREMISTS did it... could've been any religion but in this case they were muslims. and these particular extremists says that the quoran tells them that this is what they should do... and that is what THEY are thinking, not saying all muslims think that way, and I don't think any such thing could be interpreted from the quoran at all.
So, those muslim extremists made something there, and therefore I think it's inapropriate to build a mosque there. sure it is two blocks away, but all the media attention that it gets right now, it could've just been AT the actual site.

So I think just build it a few more blocks away.

I would think the same if it were christian extremists who did the attack, and people wanted to build a christian church there... not approriate.

so please westside, don't misunderstand what I wrote. And i personally think that your metaphor is rather off. I just think that building a 6 story mosque and muslim community center so close to a place which by many americans (wrongly) accuse the muslims for destroying... still i say that there are people who think that way. I DON'T! but it is a sensitive thing for those over there, and therefore it's just stupid to do such a thing.
by your metaphor, I think muslims are not allowed to exist in new york... and i never even said anything remotely like that.

Something that's bound to happen if they build it there: An (or a group of) american will feel the need to save the city from the "evil" and go blow it up or something... there's always angry psychos out there... so just don't build it so close.

Lol, sorry if that sounded like a flame bait, and I know that you are not American. However, I worded my post wrong and it ended up directing it at you. What I meant to say is that according to you Americans are thinking this way, and it is incorrect, and even if they hold a grudge against Muslims that grudge is not good. My country was taken over by Russians, and tens of thousands have been killed by Stalin's army, but at a present day I don't care if the Russians build a church in downtown of our capital city, as long as they bought that piece of land. I have nothing against my Russian friends, because I know that Stalin does not represent Russians, and no other sane Uzbek person should feel grudge against them.

 

[Bridgy84]

I have a simple take on this really. America was built on one thing, Freedom. It is the citizens of America that want to build this Mosque, no matter their religion, the people that want this built live here. Who are we to take that right. I am not going to be that person that is all against Muslims. Sure some people of that religion did terrible things. I have news for you. That Jewish next guy could go on a killing spree. Unless the guy across the street, who happens to be German, tries to kill him first because i mean they hated Jews at one point so i mean they all do right. Yeah not so much. They are people and most of them decent. It was not a religion that killed all those people. It was the people who did it and that was all. I just can't hate because of their beliefs. Not what America is all about to me. They are Americans like you and me. I embrace their freedom to follow their religion and if ground zero is where they want to so be it

Woo sorry that was a bit more than i planned. Sorry if this bothers anyone but it is how i feel.

 

[monkat]

I voted yes. It's not even ON ground zero. It's blocks away.

this. Whats the big deal? Should Americans be banned from building, say, an Embassy in Hiroshima / Nagasaki?

 

[Skizzo]

I have a simple take on this really. America was built on one thing, Freedom.

Actually, if you do your research, you'll find that America was built largely on the backs of slaves and the slaughter and theft of Native Americans. Please, save this 'myth' of America for the less informed. Let's try and keep this discussion based on facts.

As if that weren't enough, the myth also obscures the reality of American prosperity: that it is not solely or even primarily the product of American ingenuity and the inherent greatness of the American people, but of brute force, brutally applied. The story of American wealth begins with a continent rich in natural resources, devoid of natural enemies and protected from the rest of the world by two oceans, conquered through genocide and developed by slavery, fed by the most rapid destruction of resources mankind has ever seen, and growing by hammering the rest of the world, murdering innocent people and stealing the resources to which the victims and their progeny should have been entitled. For this you congratulate yourselves, and your politicians congratulate you, as righteous Christians whose worldly wealth signifies your holiness. Or something.

Here, for some self-edification...

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/04/...can-people.html

Let's just get all the bullshit about what America is and isn't out of the way and proceed from there...shall we?

 

[Bridgy84]

I have a simple take on this really. America was built on one thing, Freedom.

Actually, if you do your research, you'll find that America was built largely on the backs of slaves and the slaughter and theft of Native Americans. Please, save this 'myth' of America for the less informed. Let's try and keep this discussion based on facts.

As if that weren't enough, the myth also obscures the reality of American prosperity: that it is not solely or even primarily the product of American ingenuity and the inherent greatness of the American people, but of brute force, brutally applied. The story of American wealth begins with a continent rich in natural resources, devoid of natural enemies and protected from the rest of the world by two oceans, conquered through genocide and developed by slavery, fed by the most rapid destruction of resources mankind has ever seen, and growing by hammering the rest of the world, murdering innocent people and stealing the resources to which the victims and their progeny should have been entitled. For this you congratulate yourselves, and your politicians congratulate you, as righteous Christians whose worldly wealth signifies your holiness. Or something.

Here, for some self-edification...

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/04/...can-people.html

Let's just get all the bullshit about what America is and isn't out of the way and proceed from there...shall we?

I am very well aware of what you are trying to get at here. I am a 26 year old college educated Man. There were many many injustices that happened while America was being built. I think in today's day and age most people are aware of them. There was still a underlying dream that i was speaking of. The fact remains that we here in America enjoy a amount of freedom that so many people could only dream of. I for one am thankful for it. The path to where we are may not have always been correct, and some things will never be forgotten, but history is history. We learned and truly try to make this a place of freedom for everyone. I do at least.

 

[431unknown]

I have a simple take on this really. America was built on one thing, Freedom.

Actually, if you do your research, you'll find that America was built largely on the backs of slaves and the slaughter and theft of Native Americans. Please, save this 'myth' of America for the less informed. Let's try and keep this discussion based on facts.

As if that weren't enough, the myth also obscures the reality of American prosperity: that it is not solely or even primarily the product of American ingenuity and the inherent greatness of the American people, but of brute force, brutally applied. The story of American wealth begins with a continent rich in natural resources, devoid of natural enemies and protected from the rest of the world by two oceans, conquered through genocide and developed by slavery, fed by the most rapid destruction of resources mankind has ever seen, and growing by hammering the rest of the world, murdering innocent people and stealing the resources to which the victims and their progeny should have been entitled. For this you congratulate yourselves, and your politicians congratulate you, as righteous Christians whose worldly wealth signifies your holiness. Or something.

Here, for some self-edification...

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/04/...can-people.html

Let's just get all the bullshit about what America is and isn't out of the way and proceed from there...shall we?

Thats nice,if you feel that way then why don't you move to the middle east or maybe just shut your mouth. To think that some solider problly died today in some god forsaken shit hole just to defend your right to voice that yours and his nation is shit. Just that thought makes me sick you little puke!

 

[Xarsah16]

Damn, man, you're a little fired up.

I'm against the mosque, because Ground Zero is a memorial ground, and it's plain and simple that the people who caused the 9-11 tragedy in the first place were of the same ethnicity that honors Islam as their native religion. People died unnecessarily- no one inside that building deserved it. It comes down to tact and being respectful. Our nation was thrown on its head when the tragedy happened.

 

[Skizzo]

I have a simple take on this really. America was built on one thing, Freedom.

Actually, if you do your research, you'll find that America was built largely on the backs of slaves and the slaughter and theft of Native Americans. Please, save this 'myth' of America for the less informed. Let's try and keep this discussion based on facts.

As if that weren't enough, the myth also obscures the reality of American prosperity: that it is not solely or even primarily the product of American ingenuity and the inherent greatness of the American people, but of brute force, brutally applied. The story of American wealth begins with a continent rich in natural resources, devoid of natural enemies and protected from the rest of the world by two oceans, conquered through genocide and developed by slavery, fed by the most rapid destruction of resources mankind has ever seen, and growing by hammering the rest of the world, murdering innocent people and stealing the resources to which the victims and their progeny should have been entitled. For this you congratulate yourselves, and your politicians congratulate you, as righteous Christians whose worldly wealth signifies your holiness. Or something.

Here, for some self-edification...

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2010/04/...can-people.html

Let's just get all the bullshit about what America is and isn't out of the way and proceed from there...shall we?

Thats nice,if you feel that way then why don't you move to the middle east or maybe just shut your mouth. To think that some solider problly died today in some god forsaken shit hole just to defend your right to voice that yours and his nation is shit. Just that thought makes me sick you little puke!

You see, your problem here is that the facts of the matter have nothing to do with how I feel about anything. They are facts, and they won't change one way or the other no matter how I, or anyone else, feels about them. And if you really think there are soldiers somewhere defending my right to freedom of speech, please explain how? By killing innocent civilians? Or even by killing some 'terrorists' in a distant country? The ONLY ones who can take away my freedoms are those who hold power, and in the context you are speaking, that would be our own government. It's funny that while at the same time you would suggest there are soldiers dying to defend my freedom of speech, in the same breath, you'd tell me to shut up because you don't like what I'm saying or the FACTS I'm conveying. I guess you're just too caught up or too emotional about the subject to see the fucking irony in that, eh? If you truly do believe in the freedom of speech, and that people are indeed dying to defend that freedom, then how is it you somehow think they're only dying to protect 'popular' speech? Wow...I guess you can't actually refute anything that's been said and this is the best you can do...tell people to shut up because after all, there're people dying to protect my right to do otherwise. Or not.

 

[liquidnumb]

Isn't there already a mosque a few blocks away from ground zero? I'm pretty sure it's been there for a long time.