Hardware New Switch rumours - 1440p TV and 1080p handheld - Displayport over USB-C - 5GBps BUS speed

[nmkd]

First of all, I doubt that 1440/1080 is true; 1080p is just way to high to maintain a decent battery life on the go.

The displayport thing sounds good, if I understood it correctly it supports up to 8K/60Hz.

The BUS speed is great, about 40 times as high as the 3DS (128MBps)

Sources:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw..._yasuda_nintendoswitch_uses_displayport_over/

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSw...asuda_nintendo_switchs_resolution_not_likely/

 

[Deleted User]

So does this have any credibility whatsoever?

 

[nmkd]

So does this have any credibility whatsoever?

That guy is a rather reliable insider, but we should always be a bit sceptical.

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[naddel81]

what is it good for when the tegra x1 only renders at 40% of its full potential when on the go and even when docking it uses only 70% GPU performance...

 

[Xzi]

what is it good for when the tegra x1 only renders at 40% of its full potential when on the go and even when docking it uses only 70% GPU performance...

Well, this is a custom Tegra chip based on X1. 40% of its docked power is estimated to be about 400GFlops, which would be nearly 13x as powerful as a PS Vita, as an example. I'm not sure where you heard that it only runs at 70% GPU performance while docked, the math doesn't work given Switch's UE4 performance. Heat shouldn't be an issue either unless it's a really hot environment, so no throttling.

 

[naddel81]

Well, this is a custom Tegra chip based on X1. 40% of its docked power is estimated to be about 400GFlops, which would be nearly 13x as powerful as a PS Vita, as an example. I'm not sure where you heard that it only runs at 70% GPU performance while docked, the math doesn't work given Switch's UE4 performance. Heat shouldn't be an issue either unless it's a really hot environment, so no throttling.

latest Digital Foundry video about the switch techs. it says in full dock mode the tegra only clocks to 700 MHz where the real tegra could do 1GHz and more.
I use a chip based on the same architecture (980 Ti) and it can hold 1500 MHz no problem.

 

[Deleted User]

another rumour that i shouldn't even take with a grain of salt. how is it supposed to handle 1080p/1440p if it's borderline weaker than the ps3? the ps3 can barely handle 720p

 

[ItsKipz]

latest Digital Foundry video about the switch techs. it says in full dock mode the tegra only clocks to 700 MHz where the real tegra could do 1GHz and more.
I use a chip based on the same architecture (980 Ti) and it can hold 1500 MHz no problem.

You can't believe every rumor you hear.

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another rumour that i shouldn't even take with a grain of salt. how is it supposed to handle 1080p/1440p if it's borderline weaker than the ps3? the ps3 can barely handle 720p

How is it weaker?

 

[RustInPeace]

I don't know what to make of this. My question is, to connect it to the big screen, you need a monitor/TV with a displayport slot?

 

[naddel81]

You can't believe every rumor you hear.

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How is it weaker?

has been confirmed by an insider. until now all those "rumors" turned out to be true. we can conclude that the switch will once again be a very incompetitive device (performance wise). it will be even way weaker than the 3 year old "current" gen when it comes out. not even considering the ps4 pro or scorpio, of course.

 

[AtlasFontaine]

has been confirmed by an insider. until now all those "rumors" turned out to be true. we can conclude that the switch will once again be a very incompetitive device (performance wise). it will be even way weaker than the 3 year old "current" gen when it comes out. not even considering the ps4 pro or scorpio, of course.

This same insider has the same or even more credibility compared to Eurogamer since he's from the Wall Street Journal.

 

[naddel81]

I predict Big N is again cheaping out on hardware and tries to convince everybody that good games do not need good hardware. that might be true, but it hasn't really worked out on the Wii U either. And the 3DS barely made it after a very rough start. I remember buying it and not having anything to play after OOT3D for months.
This time (switch) I am NOT an early adopter and will wait it out.

 

[Xzi]

latest Digital Foundry video about the switch techs. it says in full dock mode the tegra only clocks to 700 MHz where the real tegra could do 1GHz and more.
I use a chip based on the same architecture (980 Ti) and it can hold 1500 MHz no problem.

Clock speed is far from the biggest factor in determining performance. If we were to assume things based on that, Switch at 768MHz would be half the power of your 980Ti, right? That'd be ridiculously powerful for a $250 device.

another rumour that i shouldn't even take with a grain of salt. how is it supposed to handle 1080p/1440p if it's borderline weaker than the ps3? the ps3 can barely handle 720p

It's not weaker than a PS3 in docked mode. With 4 SMs it would do ~1TFlop of performance, right behind XB1's 1.3TFlops. Puts Switch at like 80% of XB1 power.

Matter of fact, this means Switch is about 2x the performance of XB360 in portable mode. That said, it's still gonna be 1080p/720p. No way they hit 1440p/1080p with these numbers.

 

[naddel81]

Clock speed is far from the biggest factor in determining performance. If we were to assume things based on that, Switch at 768MHz would be half the power of your 980Ti, right? That'd be ridiculously powerful for a $250 device.

well, actually NO. since a 980 Ti has way more shaders (more than 10 times more) the tegra x1 is aprox. at one tenth of the 980 Ti's performance (in real world even less because of memory bandwidth etc.). but since it only clocks at 770 MHz max. the Switch would under 10% of the 980 Ti's performance at max.
under 10% of the performance a two year old GPU... does not sound THAT encouraging.

 

[DKB]

well, actually NO. since my 980 Ti has way more shaders (more than 10 times more) the tegra x1 is aprox. at one tenth of the 980 Ti's performance. but since it only clocks at 770 MHz max. the Switch would under 10% of the 980 Ti's performance at max.
under 10% of the performance a two year old GPU... does not sound THAT encouraging.

did you just compare the switch to a part that's as big as the switch itself what the fuck

h.p.g.t.j

 

[naddel81]

did you just compare the switch to a part that's as big as the switch itself what the fuck

no. I compared the switch's GPU to the same GPU that could be had years ago (when the switch is released). of course they could shrink it or pascal it and double the performance.
a 1 GHz clocked pascal Tegra would make up with what was stated in the press release ("most powerful GPU architecture...").
but that custom Tegra X1 at only 770 MHz seems to be a cheap out solution as we are used to see from Nintendo.
bottom line: under 10% of a 980 Ti is shit. in real world it will even be 5% or less.
Nintendo could easily get a twice as fast GPU as they have with a decent mobile GPU, but they are too concerned to get a cheap device at all costs.
I am predicting that history is gonna repeat itself once again. third partys are going to find out quickly that the device is for casual games only because ambitious projects cannot be done on that hardware. and soon we are going to have a Wii U again. but this time it's mobile /wow!).

 

[WiiUBricker]

Lies. According to actual credible sources who shall remain unnamed, the outputs 4k docked and 3k undocked.

 

[naddel81]

Lies. According to actual credible sources who shall remain unnamed, the outputs 4k docked and 3k undocked.

lol. so they managed to defeat physics? tell me how.
and btw: what is your mentioned "3k" when the undocked screen does only support 720p?

 

[WiiUBricker]

lol. so they managed to defeat physics? tell me how.
and btw: what is your mentioned "3k" when the undocked screen does only support 720p?

Obviously the screen would have to be 3k. But anyways, it was a frickin joke, just like numerous other ridiculous Switch rumors.

 

[nmkd]

lol. so they managed to defeat physics? tell me how.
and btw: what is your mentioned "3k" when the undocked screen does only support 720p?

He was trolling.

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