[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[RandomUser]

Politifact is actually pretty clear in its analysis:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/

The issue here is, if you just brand a movement 'marxist' - which republican ideologs do, you do that to discredit intention, bases on mostly structural misinformation in the general public, stemming from PR, again - on the left, and on the right.

Marxist to most people you are coining the message for is an ideologic term they'd think of synonymous with 'communist', which it is not. Then comes the followup, so what is it then? And the answers you could give would be 'its an ideological spectrum', or a viewpoint, or an historical ideology, or ...

If you cant discuss the meaning of those terms in action, but rather use them to come up with the as group identifications, your agenda is not 'lets have a discussion'.

Marxist can be anything from - capitalism needs co-regulation to, people should seize means of production and capital. 'Trained marxist' could be 'guy thats a little on the fringes of society, finding solace in a group of similarly a little off kiltered folks' (which is largely where political change comes from), and in the mind of another person its 'a communist kabal trying to destroy democracy'.

If discussion about those terms or ideas never becomes part of the public sphere (which is what media is needed for), everyone makes up their own explanation, and as we all know, they currently could be pretty extreme and devided.

From that link, and from my understanding pretty much confirms, the link I provided is correct about it being a Marxist. The link you provided they try to downplay it even if the founder admitted being a Marxist. Weather or not Marxism is either good thing or bad thing, keep in mind that their ideal most likely will not come to fruition, they be talking about taking down capitalism, which I do not seeing it being successful, at least not in the near future. Having a classless society will most likely not happen either.

Even without all of that: I do not like the idea of one race being superior then the others, I think all people of races should be equal. It appears that the movement is focusing on just one race and do not seem to care for the others. If a Caucasian is beat up or killed by a cop
*cricket sounds* and African American, all heck breaks loose.

Most up to date link I could find https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

A while ago, I came to a realization that it is nearly impossible to change people mind about anything, so I am just merely posting some findings and let the people decide on what to do with them. They do not have to believe it or they can, it their choice.

Thank you for your write up, it has been informative.

BLM is made up of various elements such as Antifa and Liberals that want to rip up our Constitution and replace it with socialism. You also have BLM funneling donations into the DNC. Then there's just some normal members that think they are doing the right thing. It's a mixture of sorts.

Oh wow, I didn't realize this, and that explains why BLM is tied into the Democrat. Thank you for making it much clearer for me, especially the composition of BLM. I appreciate it.

 

[FAST6191]

Shit flinging is boring. It is also largely unproductive -- more flies with honey and all that.

All news organisations need a kick up the arse or kick in the dick. If any one of them went pop tomorrow then nothing of value would be lost. Their general incompetence and lack of objectivity should be clear to anybody (as a general rule if you know something well how well do they report on it, now figure that it is as bad for anything -- we all probably know games so go see what any given place claims about such a thing). Despite what some might have your believe then muck raking is a thing journalists do and have done for a long time but most seem horrible at it these days, which is a pity. What caused this varies but many have become far too bloated for their shrinking income streams, and have far more agile competitors, and have invited partisan agenda pushing actors into their midst instead of going with objectivity (some value can still be found there and long may a given journalist have had their field of interest but still).
This is not to say you can't extract some value but what might have sort of been a passive affair one day (read it, watch it, listen to it... and you might learn something) has been replaced with an active affair and you have to go compare and contrast, seek primary sources, understand statistics yourself, beware of linguistic trickery, understand logic and ethics of any number of parties and so forth. I would always have encouraged active analysis but these days it is a necessity.

Anyway once more I invite you to try to sell me on both candidates (maths means a third party is basically pointless to contemplate on the national scale but if you live in a place where your vote is mathematically meaningless you might still see some benefit). What values might they espouse, what policies might they have, what policies might they enact that will have the opposite effect of what they claim, what problems might they seek to undo, what problems might they have caused in the past that I should be wary of, what are their longer term outlooks?
Even if you think the other guy might as well be akin to sending the place down the toilet for you/your kids is there something they do that is of merit? What ethical, pragmatic or similar basis do you use to arrive at those conclusions (there are many options for such things)

Is a claim of there is more to unite them than there is to divide them an accurate one? If not then why.

 

[TheCasualties]

^^ Honestly I'd probably have an easier time selling you on the Green or People's party candidates. Too bad they have no chance, ever.. But that's a whole 'nother rant.

The 2 main dudes both have issues but one of them has consistently f**kd over the lower class..

Just like South Park said years ago, it's between a douche and a turd sandwitch, yet again. A little less-so than last election I'd guess.

PS: Hadn't watched south park in years but saw the Pandemic Special. That was pretty fun. "Chin Diaper" is my new favorite thing to call people out on.

 

[omgcat]

Yeah, seems par for the course. Fucking up people around him is basically trump's MO at this point.

 

[Hanafuda]

https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1313198125402722305?s=21

 

[Deleted User]

https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1313198125402722305?s=21

If this is the great hope for black people, I feel sorry for black people.

 

[gregory-samba]

https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1313198125402722305?s=21

If this is the great hope for black people, I feel sorry for black people.

I don't think what Joe said was negative. He was just pointing out the nice lady who was stocking the shelves was black and it wasn't said in a derogatory manner. I'd probably have to hear what he said before and after that statement, but from the sounds of it he wasn't being racist.

 

[Deleted User]

I don't think what Joe said was negative. He was just pointing out the nice lady who was stocking the shelves was black and it wasn't said in a derogatory manner. I'd probably have to hear what he said before and after that statement, but from the sounds of it he wasn't being racist.

You're making it sound like he was talking about one black lady. He said black WOMEN. Unless the part that was missed was him talking about a specific group of black women who stalked the shelves for him personally there is no wrong way to take it. He's done this many times when he talks about black people say things that just make you scratch your head. He told black people if they don't vote for him they're not black.

 

[gregory-samba]

You're making it sound like he was talking about one black lady. He said black WOMEN. Unless the part that was missed was him talking about a specific group of black women who stalked the shelves for him personally there is no wrong way to take it. He's done this many times when he talks about black people say things that just make you scratch your head. He told black people if they don't vote for him they're not black.

I'm not sure how much experience you may have with people Joe's age (or older), but the way he's carrying himself in relations to talking to or talking about black people is just how old people are. Unless he is directly insulting someone over their skin color I wouldn't let it bother you. Him saying "You ain't black unless you vote for me", is just Joe's way of addressing black people. I actually saw that conversation and he wasn't trying to be racist. Old people just go back communicating differently from the young folk, esp Joe's generation.

 

[Deleted User]

I'm not sure how much experience you may have with people Joe's age (or older), but the way he's carrying himself in relations to talking to or talking about black people is just how old people are. Unless he is directly insulting someone over their skin color I wouldn't let it bother you. Him saying "You ain't black unless you vote for me", is just Joe's way of addressing black people. I actually saw that conversation and he wasn't trying to be racist. Old people just go back communicating differently from the young folk, esp Joe's generation.

Defend him if you want, no one below the tweet was defending him. I do not agree with you and don't assume I've never dealt with people his age. I've never dealt with anyone his age that talks like he does. My grandma is 91 years old.

 

[gregory-samba]

Defend him if you want, no one below the tweet was defending him. I do not agree with you and don't assume I've never dealt with people his age. I've never dealt with anyone his age that talks like he does. My grandma is 91 years old.

I've had the displeasure of dealing with actual racist old people and Joe is far from it. I'm not defending Joe either. I'm sure as hell not going to vote for him or his kind, but it's not good go about labeling someone a racist when they aren't being racist. That's what the Democrats and Liberals do. I have no desire to be like them.

 

[Deleted User]

I've had the displeasure of dealing with actual racist old people and Joe is far from it. I'm not defending Joe either. I'm sure as hell not going to vote for him or his kind, but it's not good go about labeling someone a racist when they aren't being racist. That's what the Democrats and Liberals do. I have no desire to be like them.

I never said the words Joe Biden is a racist, you did. I said he makes comments that make you scratch your head. You're making a lot of assumptions and jumping to conclusions to defend him.

There are black people leaving the Democratic party, not like a majority of them but some are waking up to them. Comments like this will not help his cause. I'm pretty sure he also made a comment about black people not being too smart as well.

I don't think he's an actual racist like a KKK member. But I do think he thinks he has some authority over all Democrats and black people that he can tell them what to do. He is wrong.

 

[Hanafuda]

I don't think what Joe said was negative. He was just pointing out the nice lady who was stocking the shelves was black and it wasn't said in a derogatory manner. I'd probably have to hear what he said before and after that statement, but from the sounds of it he wasn't being racist.

If Biden weren't already known to have said such things as "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids" and "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent" and describing Barack Obama as, "the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" .......... then maybe I'd be willing to give him that benefit of a doubt.

 

[gregory-samba]

If Biden weren't already known to have said such things as "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids" and "you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent" and describing Barack Obama as, "the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" .......... then maybe I'd be willing to give him that benefit of a doubt.

If he did say those things then there's some truth in what he said. Aren't you like in your 50's? You should know how older people approach race greatly differs from the current batch of 20 some years olds. You can have a different approach and still not be a racist you know. Joe's generation had a lot more black, brown and white people that were racist against each other. That's just how they grew up. Not saying that makes it right, but I understand where they are coming from and Biden doesn't strike me like people I know that are dead straight racist fucks.

 

[Hanafuda]

If he did say those things then there's some truth in what he said. Aren't you like in your 50's? You should know how older people approach race greatly differs from the current batch of 20 some years olds. You can have a different approach and still not be a racist you know. Joe's generation had a lot more black, brown and white people that were racist against each other. That's just how they grew up. Not saying that makes it right, but I understand where they are coming from and Biden doesn't strike me like people I know that are dead straight racist fucks.

All I know is we were all getting along and able to party together and joke around at each others' expense without hard feelings a lot better in the 70's and 80's than now.

 

[gregory-samba]

All I know is we were all getting along and able to party together and joke around at each others' expense without hard feelings a lot better in the 70's and 80's than now.

Yeah, back then people had a sense of humor.

 

[Hanafuda]

I'm not defending Joe either.

I understood that. I know where you fall on most of this, and I appreciate that you look at that statement from Biden and do give him that benefit of a doubt.

Now, just for the sake of argument, ask yourself this ... what would the liberal side of this board, the media talking heads on CNNMSNBCCBSABCNBCCNNPBS, spokespersons for BLM, etc. all be saying right now if it had been President Trump who had uttered the exact same words? "the reason I was able to stay sequestered in my home is because some black woman was able to stack the grocery shelf." Would they be giving him the benefit of a doubt as you did today for Biden??? i.e. Rationalizing about how people of his generation have a different vocabulary without ill intent and their verbatim statements can't be judged against a modern litmus test, etc. Of course not.

And by the way, did you notice? Twitter has banished the video.

 

[gregory-samba]

I understood that. I know where you fall on most of this, and I appreciate that you look at that statement from Biden and do give him that benefit of a doubt.

Now, just for the sake of argument, ask yourself this ... what would the liberal side of this board, the media talking heads on CNNMSNBCCBSABCNBCCNNPBS, spokespersons for BLM, etc. all be saying right now if it had been President Trump who had uttered the exact same words? "the reason I was able to stay sequestered in my home is because some black woman was able to stack the grocery shelf." Would they be giving him the benefit of a doubt as you did today for Biden??? i.e. Rationalizing about how people of his generation have a different vocabulary without ill intent and their verbatim statements can't be judged against a modern litmus test, etc. Of course not.

And by the way, did you notice? Twitter has banished the video.

If the circumstances were Trump said exactly what Biden said then yes the Liberals would attack him and call him a racist. The thing is Liberals are going to attack Trump no matter what he does. He's done a lot of good things in the last 4 years and even things you would think no one in their right mind would attack others for he gets attacked for. An example would be how he gives his entire $400,000.00 a year salary away to charity and recently when he gave a quarter of that to disabled veterans Liberals attacked him.

There's also things like when he said to the newbs in Congress to go back to their home countries and fix the problems there and then come back and tell us all how you did it. He got called a racist for that, but race had nothing to do with what he said. Of course it doesn't help that the Liberals only choose a part of that statement and used it out of context to fabricate a false narrative. Liberals simply call anything they disagree with "racist". It has nothing to do with ones actual race/ethnicity/skin color.

Just because I don't care for Liberals or Joe Biden it wouldn't be good for me to simply act like the TDS sufferers do and attack Biden regardless of guilt. I have no reason to make things up or lie to anyone. If I were to carry on like the Liberals do, but simply be on the other side of things I'd be just like them and that's not something I strive for. I try to avoid the Liberal thought processes all together. Lying, thievery, cheating, adultery, etc ... I'm just not that sort of person.

 

[Doran754]

https://twitter.com/tvnewshq/status/1313600344044306437?s=21

This is exactly why you can't trust the media and polls. They had people up claiming to be undecided or independent voters who have or was always going to vote for biden.

 

[AkGBA]

So. Except for the fly, what's your stance on the VP debate ?