[POLL] U.S. Presidential Election 2016

[osaka35]

The vote literally requires a handshake from both sides and has a unique signature, it can be tracked from the polling station to the main server and its delivery is confirmed on the spot. If you think it's any less secure than shitty pieces of paper that I can sign with a name of whatever dead relative I want and just shove into the box when nobody's looking, you're being ridiculous.

As I understand it, there are a variety of different tech being used, dependent on the individual polling station, and what you're describing is probably the latest tech which isn't implemented as widespread as we'd hope. My expertise isn't very strong in this area, I'm just aware that the old tech is apparently vulnerable and there's a loooooooooot of old tech out there.

 

[Foxi4]

As I understand it, there are a variety of different tech being used, dependent on the individual polling station, and what you're describing is probably the latest tech which isn't implemented as widespread as we'd hope. My expertise isn't very strong in this area, I'm just aware that the old tech is apparently vulnerable and there's a loooooooooot of old tech out there.

More vulnerable than *paper* that you sign in a booth where *nobody* can see what you're doing? Is this pod planet? Am I surrounded by pod people? Should I just grab a gun and off myself while I still can, because I'm the only human left? I do my banking online, I do my shopping online, I book my plane tickets online, I pay my taxes online or over the phone, and yet *just* for voting I have to use a method that'd be considered unreliable and archaic in *any other case*? Okay. The fates of the world are decided on Wall Street, do you think brokers use paper to do their business? No, they do it online and it works just fine.

 

[filfat]

Wait, People would honestly vote for Bernie?
Have you learnt nothing from the socialism-hell Sweden that I'm currently living in?

America needs someone with as much passion and the same views as Reagan, there is were Trump comes in. He plays the game perfectly, says exactly the right things to steer up the pot just enough to get people to speak of him (all publicity is good publicity).
Even if he were racist (which he's not) that would be a 1000x better president than one who would want to ruin the economy by not letting the open market have it's course.
I'm not going to go into a full on debate why the liberal views are so horrible, especially when it comes to economics unless really necessary.

Just use common sense and go republic, America don't need another Obama to crash the economics even more. I'd like if America stayed a functioning country so I can move to it

 

[dimmidice]

please, just stay in sweden.

 

[spotanjo3]

None. they are all corrupt and always will. Don't trust them all.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Even if he were racist (which he's not) that would be a 1000x better president than one who would want to ruin the economy by not letting the open market have it's course.

Something tells me you're not "in the loop" on American politics, Trump is literally borderline fascist

 

[filfat]

please, just stay in sweden.

You really missed the point?

Socialism have never and never will work, Sweden is just one of many examples why
Just look at how we don't even age test illegal immigrants (here is a supposedly 12 year old immigrant: http://i.imgur.com/Qf19lOB.jpg yeah; right).
Or how people who actually accomplish something have to pay for those who do nothing with sky-high taxes.
Or how we let the liberal fucked up feminist movement play a part of making real decisions.
Or how they choose to spend over 2x as much on beds for immigrants than on our own bloody army.
That's just the beginning of the bullshit this liberal socialism-loaded government pulls on us.

But if that doesn't convince you the son of communism aka socialism sucks, just look at when Hitler ruled Germany, or Soviet Union, Venezuela or about any other country which is ruled or has been ruled under socialistic "views".

Something tells me you're not "in the loop" on American politics, Trump is literally borderline facist

Oh, i'm probably one of the people most up to speed about US politics outside the US (Maybe even a bit too much, I should go outside more often...). If anything he's an opportunist not a "facist".

 

[osaka35]

More vulnerable than *paper* that you sign in a booth where *nobody* can see what you're doing? Is this pod planet? Am I surrounded by pod people? Should I just grab a gun and off myself while I still can, because I'm the only human left? I do my banking online, I do my shopping online, I book my plane tickets online, I pay my taxes online or over the phone, and yet *just* for voting I have to use a method that'd be considered unreliable and archaic in *any other case*? Okay. The fates of the world are decided on Wall Street, do you think brokers use paper to do their business? No, they do it online and it works just fine.

I'd prefer tech, myself. Super secure tech that creates some sort of physical print out as backup. I'm not a fan of paper ballots either, but not a fan of insecure tech either.

As far as wall street goes, they also have tricks to be quicker on the draw than other folks (and thus greater chance for profit). There's more than one way to skin a cat

 

[Foxi4]

I'd prefer tech, myself. Super secure tech that creates some sort of physical print out as backup. I'm not a fan of paper ballots either, but not a fan of insecure tech either.

At least we can agree there - secure tech would be the best solution. Can you imagine how much bigger the turnout would be if you could vote from your smartphone? There's a fair chance that polling stations still exist because most people can't be arsed to stop watching Netflix to go and vote. If they could vote from their home, I feel we'd hear the voice of tge people louder.

 

[osaka35]

At least we can agree there - secure tech would be the best solution. Can you imagine how much bigger the turnout would be if you could vote from your smartphone? There's a fair chance that polling stations still exist because most people can't be arsed to stop watching Netflix to go and vote. If they could vote from their home, I feel we'd hear the voice of tge people louder.

I think the first step to that end is that people are registered to vote as soon as they turn of age. We have to register for the draft, so why not be registered to vote in the same step?

 

[spotanjo3]

If Hillary won then America is going to have an illegal immigration PROBLEM to the United States.

 

[Foxi4]

I think the first step to that end is that people are registered to vote as soon as they turn of age. We have to register for the draft, so why not be registered to vote in the same step?

Now you're talking my language. Encrypted voting "cards" for all citizens, they could also work as driving licenses, insurance cards, ID's, debit/credit cards, whatever shit you can cram into them before we can just shove chips under our skin. Make America Electronic Again! ;O;

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Oh, i'm probably one of the people most up to speed about US politics outside the US (Maybe even a bit too much, I should go outside more often...). If anything he's an opportunist not a "facist".

And besides, "opportunist" doesn't make it ANY better. That just means that he would/does say and pass anything he could just to get more power, whether or not it actually is in the best interest of the position he is serving

 

[brickmii82]

I'm still confused here as to why everyone can't understand the complications of immigration reform. I personally know people on both sides, both legal and illegal, and it's not as simple as building a wall to get change instituted. We certainly have a right to know who is entering and leaving the country, they also have a right to be treated fairly and humanely. It's a very complicated process that takes years to complete to be here legally. While I don't agree with "amnesty", I don't believe we can simply round up and deport them either. Most of them are here because survivability is greater in the US, than their native country. They aren't the "rapists, drug dealers, scum" that are being portrayed by the right at this point. They're mostly humble blue collar folks who work for low pay and make the most out of it. Many of the most dependable employees I've seen were immigrants. Hell, some of the most moral people I've seen were here illegally.

 

[Foxi4]

Trump's wall is what in the Polish political scene we call the "Voter's Sausage" - it's an outrageous claim that's supposed to fix a problem which you have no intention to actually execute that exists solely to gin up votes. The Times recently interviewed Trump and even he says that he mentions the wall when the listeners are getting bored during debates or public speeches because it gets their motors going. There isn't going to be any wall, and if there will be, it'll be a 50-feet tall, 20-feet long brick banner with Trump's face on it - that'll scare Mexicans from miles away. Seriously, anyone who believes this sort of crap is a dullard - Trump is just using hot button issues like Islam and illegal immigration to get the popular vote, and you all got fooled by his show.

 

[The Catboy]

The issue with Trump is less the man, but more his supporters. He has amassed a huge following of extremely racist, xenophobic, anti-LGBT+, Islamophobic, hateful people. Most of his supporters are showing extremely dangerous tendencies that honestly will drive us either into another World War or a Civil War. Their attitudes towards Islam is rather frightening because it's actually going to make matters worse in the long run.
To me, I am supporting Clinton, not because I want to, but because Trump's supporters honestly scare me. If Trump wins, I fear two things will happen, either he continues his shenanigans, which causes WW3 or he turns back on his words and causes a Civil War.

 

[TrapperKeeperX]

@Lacius I would consider adding Bernie Sanders to the polls since he still has a shot! Also those who back and side with Bernie Sanders. We have a vote and a voice too!

 

[Monado_III]

Move to Canada while you still can.

->implying our government is better (like WTF, why was this even a thing)

 

[Lacius]

@Lacius I would consider adding Bernie Sanders to the polls since he still has a shot! Also those who back and side with Bernie Sanders. We have a vote and a voice too!

Senator Sanders doesn't still have a shot. Secretary Clinton is the presumptive nominee.

 

[Raylight]

Move to Canada while you still can.

My folks are highly considering it.