MFDC12 said:
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MFDC12 said:
But you are not going to find many gay people who are against those either
May be a generational thing, but my gay uncle is well against gay marriage. This is me badly paraphrasing him: You have pretty much the same rights as a married couple/civil partnership by just living together and declaring that you are living as a couple other here. I think he thinks that should be good enough, and gay people shouldn't want to emulate a straighter lifestyle.
Not my views, though it does make a strange sort of sense. I honestly think he's a bit doolaly.
Yeah, I've met gay men like that too, but I think my wording was off, I meant to say not many gay men were against like adoption/anti-discrimination and stuff
QUOTE(Panzer Tacticer @ May 16 2011, 02:39 PM)
Sure some gays might wish to be religious, but, isn't a gay person in a church a bit like a black guy wanting to join the clan?
Not exactly.
There are quite a few denominations that are pretty accepting of homosexuality, not to mention a lot of church's 'hate' the sex part, not the actual connection (like love) between two men or two women.
This is only directed at the portion mentioning how "quite a few denominations that are pretty accepting of homosexuality".
I consider any flavour of Bible based religion that is 'accepting' of homosexuality, to be wishy washy in their faith. The Bible is very black and white about it, and leaves NO room for discussion. Not that I care I need to comment on that eh. But, I consider it annoying how there are so many variations of Christianity out there, considering they call the Bible 'the revealed word of God' ie divinely inspired, and yet no one can read it without arguing over what it said.
That says to me, that the whole notion of 'divinely inspired' is pathetic horseshit if it's anything. It's a dumb book, and has done nothing but divide and generate grief.
Marriage is not a 'straight' institution though, it has just been enshrined by religion for so long, that people seem to think you can't be married without a religious angle.
I told my wife, back when I told religion to piss off and get out of my life, that my marriage was, and was only, (henceforth) the document I signed in the church AFTER the damned church ceremony. I told her I still enjoy the memory of her in her wedding dress, but I'd have been just as happy if she had worn it to the town hall to sign my devotion to her in front of the proper legal authroities. My vows are still valid, but, God no longer holds any sway in the process.
This I say to anyone homosexual reading. You get nothing out of being married in a church. But if you must insist, I must insist on not supporting you if you get a lot of grief on the road to that ambition. It's not necessary, and as such, is a pointless waste of effort.
I only support legally married civil unions simply because church weddings straight included, mean nothing to me. So what you made your vows before God. I put it to you, this person (God) has never existed. You were talking to yourself.
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